The agenda so far for the June PAMI Technical Committee Meeting is as follows. Please send additional agenda items to Linda Shapiro, firstname.lastname@example.org. PAMI TC MEETING June 21, 1994 AGENDA 7:00 Linda Shapiro Chair. Announcements: 1. Membership Drive: L. Shapiro / R. Krishnan Discussion of mailing list form of membership database, signup, We are now maintaining our own list 2. 1994 Budget: L. Shapiro Budget is larger this year, this year is larger because of meeting surplus. A large part is newsletters, but the editor was conference chair and it fell behind. Some discussion of the budget ($14,700), membership promotion, newsletter, students, travel (to TAB) other (Image database -- Mosaic). Steve Shafer:CV home page at CMU (one of the 10 highest at CMU 500 per week -- send mail to Steve Shafer at CMU). Q: Membership size (current 800), add this time 200 people. CS does a 5 year annual purge (or some such). Reports: 1. CVPR94: K. Bowyer. CVPR money: $325. Program Comm: 40; Office 22, Advance program 22, call for papers 15, proceedings 32, final program 10, anudi/visual 5, Keynotes 10, registration 15, CS Admin 24, Contigeny 17, Treasureer and bank 5, Breaks 40, Reception 20, Banquet 45, Misc 6. 372 in NYC) 383 paid. Students 150 (In future look at these totals). IEEE does build in a cushion, so be careful and plan for this. 2. 2nd Document Analysis and Recognitin Conference: R. Haralick Held in Tskuba Japan this fall, over 260 papers, 20 were long 124 short, 400 attended. Document analysis is fast moving and growing area. Issues for Discussion: 1. The PAMI Society: S. Shafer Report on should we form a society. Issues from last year: PAMI pages, money, awards, etc. So, could we do anything to improve this. So state our goal and discuss the structure: From: Continue, negotiate changes, jump ship, or beome society, leave IEEE. All of these involve doing a lot of work, and there is not a lot of people that will devote the time and effort to do the work. Q: Last year, IEEE puts great restricctions on meetings and PAMI makes money can we get any? No. Journals have nothing to do with the TCs. Other journals in CS are less related others are multiple. Robotics came from several societies rather than CS. Q: Limits on PAMI pages? Really come from total subscriptions. The budget allows us to ask for more money (in addition to the entitlement). Q: Re IEEE sponsored vs private journal? PAMI 10K copies, no other one is at 1K. Advantage is wide circulation because of being within IEEE, and the low cost. Private publishers are happy to publish 300 library copies. Profit from PAMI is 300K goes to support other meetings. CVPR generates maybe 10K surplus. Today there are not the other conferences that make tons of money. Service awards: We have given them, but we haven't done it lately and we should do that. Also people to nominate IEEE Fellows. These go with regular newsletter. Comment: (Freeman) Point missed, did this group want to have an organization itself. At the moment it is not clear that we do not really want to have one. (Steve) At the moment we do not have the pressures to drive it. Avi: Currently IEEE CS takes too much money and we do not get much in return, but it requires a lot of work for the people doing it. Steve: If there are enough people who feel that we should look at it more, the inform Steve. Ram: Not sure we have the critical mass to become a society, most of us want to to be with IEEE, to have low cost journal. Maybe Robotics and Automation is better now than CS. Eric G: Herb hit the issue, control over our fate in addition to the funding. Sould we investigate further? Steve: afraid that the number that would commit to the time is low. Linda: We do use some of the pieces, do we want to provide the servies and time. Avi: R and A runs a big one without the support (but only that one). Bir: We should look at forming a PAMI society. Steve: Discuss last year's proposal that we should reconsider Avi: That we should send a petition to IEEE to form the new society. Chants: AVI AVI AVI AVI ... Avi: Will draft a petition tonight for sending to IEEE. Steve: R&A really was formed by the efforts of one person. E.g. Finiancial management. Patrick: How things have changed? Year ago budget was $4K, now bigger and have some of what we want. Current relationship is better than past. Eric: We have a larger budget because we made money on CVPR. Steve: Partly surplus and asking for more. Linda: Not sure what to spend the money on, hard to get the people to spend the money on. Bir: Others spend on student scholarships. Eric: Move Avi's suggestion: Establish a committee (Avi) to Draft a petitiion (and signed by over 100 people) to IEEE that we be a separate society under IEEE. Second: Eric. Passed with 1 opposed. Critical Mass for a society. Dues enough to cover expenses/. 2. An Electronic Newsletter: K. Price 3. CVPR 97. R Nevatia. Discussing 1997 seems early. You remember the Hawaii meeting and we could consider some resort after 5 meetings in cities (well Champaign-Urbana). Several things to consider Hawaii, but the east coast is the right cycle. Two choices to consider are US Virgin Islands and Cancun (Mexico) (which is cheaper to stay and get to). Puerto Rico? (St Thomas is more attractive than San Juan). Mention: Key West is cheaper (Miami)? Feel for support (interest): St Thomas: 28. Cancun: few. Hawaii: 28. (similar support to St Thomas). Formal motion that CVPR 97 that the USC group is is willing to do the work (Huttenlocher/Ponce). Admendment that the dates will be held until until Boston in 95. Vote: Passed. Discussion on dates of ICCV/CVPR and conflicts Meeting Announcements/Approvals: 1. International Workshop on Face Recognition: T. Huang. Fall 1995, Zurich Steering Committee: TSHuang, APentland, PStucki, sponsored by Univ of Zurich with PAMI TC as cooperate. Q: Why just face recognition? Want to keep it small so just recognition not diluted by others. But expression may enter in. Final information in 2-3 months. 2. International Workshop on Graphics Recognition: R. Kasturi August 1995, Penn State. End of August. Really means: Document reognition. Calls for papers are available at CVPR. Mandate related to ICDR, but in the week before. Finiancial Responsibility with ICPR, this is an announcement. 3. Workshop on Context based Vision: J Mundy and T Strat June 1995 Boston. (Joe) Roughly speaking, the use of information not involved with the internals of algorithm. Function, Language, Scenarios, Sporting Activities etc. are the types of ideas. Also tied to ARPA Radius where context is used. Time Tied to ICCV. Q: Some distinguished between context and domain speific (ie something changes)? We don't distinguish, but take both. Q: Who takes the finiancial risk? Hope proeedings from IEEE, up front money from various sources (Martin Marietta). Q: Motion can lead to many papers? Still struggling over how to get the correct definition of Context. 4. Third International Conference on Document Analysis and Recognition (ICDAR '95): C. Y. Suen August 1995 Announced. 5. Fourth International Conference of Document Analysis and Recognition J Shurmann (R Haralick). Run by ICPR. Discussion of the 4th. 1996 in Germany, with various visce chairs from different countries. 6. ICCV95: E. Grimson June 20-23 at MIT. Paper deadline Nov 15 1994 -- really. Program committee of 50 people. Try to add other workshops around ICCV, if you want other workshops get the ideas in. Some supported by the meeting and others. Physically at MIT. For the A/V facilities for sutdents ($34/night). 7. Shape and Pattern Matching in Computational Biology Workshop: A. Califano (Motion to make annual) This is not Jurassic Park. Yesterday the first on was held. Fully covered the cost. The prposal is to have another on next year (CVPR shedule). Explore why the problems have an overlap. Passed with 2 opposed. Uncountable was for. 8. Workshop on Computer Vision (Visual Motion): D. Goldgof, G. Medioni, S Negahdaripur (November 1995, Miami MTW before Thanksgiving). Gerard: In 1995 there is only 1 major conference, so proposed to have a CV workshop. IROS is being held in pittsburgh in August (not much overlap). There will be a motion track, expect to have 2 tracks (there is a motion workshop with it). The paper deadline is June 1, results by Middle of September. Innovation is that the submission is in the Final form -- 6 pages in final form and only 6 pages in final form. This reduces the lag time and controls the content. T Huang General Chair. Negahdaripur local. Goldgof/Medioni program chair. (PC about 30 people). 9. CVPR96: K Ikeuchi and B Bhanu, June 1996, San Francisco Week of June 16 Hotel Nikko. (Not signed yet, but that is the plan). As always, encourage associated workshops like this one. C Dyer/Ikeuchi program chair, Bhanu as general chair. Adjourn 8:55PM.