IEEE Computer Society PAMI Technical Committee Meeting June 20, 1995: 8 p.m. at ICCV95 Kresge Little Theater, M.I.T AGENDA: Version 4.0 Meeting called to order, by Linda Shapiro at 8:10 I. Announcements: 1. Membership Results: R. Krishnan / L. Shapiro 400 people on the conference lists that were not on the TC list were contacted regarding membership. It is now possible to join through the PAMI-TC home page. Current membership is 1224, US 864, foreign 360. 2. 1995 Budget: L. Shapiro. The current budget is about $14.8K for 1996 $15K was requested. The allocation is 1/3 of the conference surplus plus some more if requested. 3. PAMI Page in Computer Magazine: L. Shapiro IEEE Computer will feature 1 or 2 TCs each issue. PAMI will appear in November or December with a deadline of September for the finished page. II. Award Presentation. Joseph Boykin (IEEE CS VP for CS-Press) presented the Harry Goode award to Azriel Rosenfeld in recogniition of an outstanding contribution to the information processing field for fundamental contributions to the fields of pattern recognition, image processing, and computer vision. The Harry Goode Award was created by AFIPS in 1964 and in 1990 when AFIPS dissolved, the IEEE-Computer Society assumed responsibility for the award. The award is given at most once a year, past recipients include Allen Newell, Larry Roberts, King-Sun Fu. III. Reports: 1. ICCV95: Eric Grimson. 600 submissions with about 450 arriving on a single day. Each was sent to 3 reviewers, a subcommittee of 12 met to make the final decisions. The final selection gave 160 papers. One issue to think about is the single track, which would allow for about 70-80 papers, or the posters which results in about 50 presentations and 100 posters. The conference has (currently) about 250 students, 230-250 members, and 100 members (around 600 registered so far). From 24 countries and 4 continents. Issues with the computer society. Initially they wanted to budget this meeting at 250 Eric wanted 450 and the CS finally did allow 350. And the problem of getting more than the original 550 copies of the proceedings, Eric was told that any more would cost the sales price ($95 for members, $190 for non-members). We need better information on attendence and conference budget issues. 2. Non-rigid Motion Workshop. Jake Agarwal. Held last October. 60 attended and resulted in a small surplus. 3. PAMI Journal. Kasturi. So far in 1995, there are 220 submissions. There are about 1290 pages in the volume this year, or roughly 100 papers. Pages will remain constant over the near term. The goal is 6/12/18 (6 months for the first review, 12 months for the decision, 18 months for publication). The 6 months is mostly being met, the 18 is not. The current paper backlog for publication is 114 (about 10 issues). This accounts for some of the requests to shorten the original paper. There is some support for topical survey papers -- extra money for editing production, but not more pages. In January the production of all transactions was shifted from NJ (IEEE) to CA (CS-Press), which has helped publication. There is a CS committee looking into electronic versions. Library subscribers will get a CD-ROM version and a bound version at the end of each year. Generally transactions subscriptions are down around 10% each of the last 2 year, PAMI is down about 7%. IV. Meeting Announcements/Approvals: 1. International Symposium on Computer Vision D. Goldgof, G. Medioni, S. Negahdaripur, T. Huang (Nov 1995) 210 papers were submitted, expect about 40%-60%. This meeting introduced submissions in final form. This reduced greatly the amount of paper the program chair needs to handle and mail out. For future meeting, if this is done, consider offering an extra page (with the provision that the excess page charge will be paid if accepted). After decisions are made, there will be about 7-10 days for possible changes. See the Web page. Question regarding the dates (M-W before Thanksgiving), Gerard is investigating moving it back 1 day (end on Tuesday, Noon). 2. CVPR96: K. Ikeuchi, B. Bhanu, C. Dyer June 1996, San Francisco. The call for papers is out. There are 4 days before and 4 days after that are available for tutorials and/or workshops. The room rates will be $145. Discussion of the hotel costs, and possible dorm accomodations, and a list of available lower cost nearby hotels. Eric noted that half of the 600 registered were in the dorm at MIT. 3. CVPR97: R. Nevatia June 1997, St. Thomas. Concerns regarding the cost were addressed. The hotel is $120 in 1997 (less than Seattle, Boston, San Francisco). Dorm space is an issue, but there are cheaper nearby hotels. Meal costs are a larger issue -- no real alternative places to eat, but the hotel may be able to work out a cheaper meal alternative. Airfare is $400-500 (with no Saturday restrictions) from the East Coast. Access is through Miami or San Juan. 4. 3rd CAD-Based Vision Workshop O. Camps, P. Flynn, G. Stockman (June 1996). This follows the successful workshop in Maui (CVPR 91) and in 1994. Planned for June 20-21 (after CVPR) 1996, with a mid-December submission deadline. Approved. V. Issues for Discussion: 2. Electronic Newsletter: D. Goldgof There is now a postscript version of the last 2 issues. If there is interest, can convert it to HTML. A discussion regarding paper or on-line versions or both. Herb Freeman indicated that it is very important to have a newsletter, but it should be NEWS, even if it is only 2 pages and important that it comes to you. We will allow members to request a no paper option. 3. IAPR Delgates The TC is the US member group of IAPR with currently 4 delegates (Bob Haralick, Jake Aggarwal, T. Huang and Jack Sklansky). The proposal is that the TC chair be a permanant delegate. Discussion: the TC chair appoints all delegates, with nominal renewal every 2 years (the delegates meet once every 2 years at ICPR). Motion (TC chair is one of the delegates) carried, no opposition. 4. Proceedings Packages for TC Members CS is discussing a proceedings package for TC members (at low prices), e.g. one package is CVPR, another is CVPR+xxx, etc. No action on our part. 5. ICCV '97 location a. Beijing proposal: Ma, Huang, Faugeras, Ohta, A. Jain; Visa problems have been reduced from the ICPR attempt. Beijing has a number of conference facilities, each with a range of hotels from $25-$100. September is the best season. Airfares are around $1000. (US or Europe) b. Tel Aviv proposal: Yeshurun, Shashua, Weinshall, Edelman; Hotels run around $100 on the sea front. Proposal was June, but that is a conflict and will be shifted. c. Singapore proposal: Mital, Aggarwal, Ullman, Kittler Rooms range from $15-$150, with the University connections. ACCV (Asian conference) is in Singapore in 1995 and probably in Korea in 1997. The rainy season is December/January, otherwise there is no difference in weather. Airfares are about $800-900 from London, and $1000 from the US (NY or LA). d. India proposal: Ahuja Bombay, mid-December. In association with other meetings in Bombay, Banglore, and Delhi India selected after 2 rounds of voting. India led after the first round. Final: India 55. Beijing 27. 7. ICCV '99 location a. Annecy, France (near Grenoble) proposal: Mohr, Horaud, Crowley b. Corfu, Greece proposal: Tsotsos, Zucker, Blake There was discussion that this should be deferred. The deferral motion carried. [Later, after the proposers stated that December 1997 would be too late for them to arrange locations, there will be a meeting on Thursday to consider the proposals.] 8. ICCV Single Track? E. Grimson. Eric raised the issue of how many papers this allowed, but there was still strong support for the single track. 9. Double Submissions (CVPR, ICCV, etc). Little discussion, except that the policy in 1994 did not work. (Indicate it was submitted to both, CVPR received accepted ECCV titles.) VI. Election of the TC Chair Kevin Boywer elected chair. 10. The PAMI Society: A. Kak Avi started the discussion by presenting the basic issues: (And said the chance of this happening is very low) We are almost a society now, the intellectual center is not solely the Computer Society, Active group with several conferences and workshops, it is time to grow beyond a TC after 22 years, CS overhead. Sizes PAMI currently 1200 (with no dues), R&A is 7000, CS is 100K. Presented his petition, circulated on Wednesday and Thursday. Strong discussion. Joseph Boykin attended to present the Goode award and was invited to respond. Issues raised were Technical Council (a bit more freedom than a Technical Committee). Software Engineering became a TCouncil, with 9-10K members. The conference fees (which were considered too high) are based on a formula. For the computer area as a whole, the conference numbers are decreasing so the CS requires budgeting at a lower level. Boykin stated that the CS policy was that proceedings would be provided at cost (rather than sales prices) if they were available. No explaination of why Eric was told otherwise. The CS has a paid staff of about 90 (most in publications areas), with 100K members, about 150 core volunteers, and 10-15K other volunteers. Even though publications are separate from the TCs it may be possible to fund additional pages in a transactions from a conference.